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silurasglanis 24 ( +1 | -1 )
Weird Opening What opening is this ? I must confess that after 1.) f3 and 2.) Kf2 that the role of f3 in the final attack and the use of the f file gave some satisfaction.

See board. 2987850

What is the actual idea behind whites opening ?

Cheers
indiana-jay 15 ( +1 | -1 )
board #2987850

May be the idea was to have great fun? I will do that someday :)
futile 48 ( +1 | -1 )
Weird Opening Opening with 1.f3 is called the Barnes Opening and to quote ChessOps:

"White's King's Bishop's Pawn opening push is a dubious move, and was only given its name as a parallel to the Barnes Defence. Although the move can support the centre it exposes the king to the danger of an early attack. There is always a great risk when advancing a KBP too soon. Fools Mate is a good (if rather theoretical) example!"

Sounds like good chess to me!

Cheers
schnarre 40 ( +1 | -1 )
1. f3, 2. Kf2 has on occasion been seen in GM-level play with mixed results (GM Schiller to name one example). In basic premise the f3 pawn prevents the Black Kingside Knight from advancing, & the King advancing to f2 allows the Queen & Kingside Rook to link up. In proceeding from 2. Kf2: 3. e3, 4. Ne2, 5. g3, 6. Bg2 with d4 or c4 following. It's more than a bit passive, so gambiteers & similarly-aggressive players would not do well to try it.
silurasglanis 9 ( +1 | -1 )
thanks Thanks for info.

I did enjoy game, not just because I won, but because it captured my attention.
bogg 4 ( +1 | -1 )
schnarre Who is GM Schiller? Are you referring to book a day FM E. Schiller?
ckytep 13 ( +1 | -1 )
I have won one blitz game against player that had a rating slightly above mine, I was black and my moves were 1.f6 2.c6 3.Kf7 4.Ke6 5.Kd6 6.Kc7 7.Qe8 and 8.Kd8
:-)
indiana-jay 17 ( +1 | -1 )
ckytep I have seen many players make simple and short moves in blitz so that they can control the pieces more easily. I also do that :))
sfinks 54 ( +1 | -1 )
Schiller If I am not mistaken, Schiller is not a GM, but only an NM (national master) or perhaps an FM as mentioned by bogg.
Eric Schiller is the author of many chess books, liked by some, disliked by others.

The "opening" 1.f3 followed by 2.Kf2 is known as the "Hammerschlag"; some years ago, a mysterious blitz player at Internet Chess Club had great success with it against Grandmasters; this led GM Nigel Short to believe that the mysterious player was none less than Bobby Fischer.
schnarre 29 ( +1 | -1 )
Mmmhmmnnn... <sfinks> The very Schiller I was referring (I still find myself confusing FM, NM, GM from time to time--especially when tired). This doesn't strike me as an opening Fischer would even try (though I have at least 1 or 2 games where he played 1. b4), but I could be wrong.
tparker 29 ( +1 | -1 )
lol.... tumbleweed opening..... [Event "AUS-ch reserves"]
[Site "Adelaide"]
[Date "2003.12.??"]
[Round "11"]
[White "Stead,Kerry"]
[Black "Stewart,Scott"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Eco "A00"]
1.f3 f5 2.Kf2 Nf6 3.c3 g6 4.Ke3 Bg7 5.Kd3 0-0 6.Qe1 Qe8 7.Kc2 e5 8.e3 d6
9.Nh3 h6 10.Nf2 Bd7 11.Be2 b5 12.d4 a5 13.Bd2 c5 14.dxc5 dxc5 15.a4 b4 16.Bc4+ Kh8
17.b3 e4 18.f4 Bc6 19.Ra2 Nbd7 20.Be2 Nb6 21.Kc1 c4 22.bxc4 b3 23.Ra3 Nxa4 24.Rxb3 Nc5
25.Ra3 Rf7 26.Bd1 Rb7 27.Bc2 Rab8 28.Ra2 Ng4 29.Nxg4 Rxb1+ 30.Bxb1 fxg4 31.Qe2 Ba4 32.Bc2 Bxc2
33.Kxc2 a4 34.Rb2 Nd3
And white eventually won!!!
jacofin 141 ( +1 | -1 )
some strong players have tried this as well... [Event "BCF-ch 86th"]
[Site "Scarborough"]
[Date "1999.08.11"]
[Round "10"]
[White "Williams, Simon Kim"]
[Black "Simons, Martin"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A00"]
[WhiteElo "2421"]
[BlackElo "2264"]
[PlyCount "79"]
[EventDate "1999.08.05"]
[EventType "swiss"]
[EventRounds "11"]
[EventCountry "ENG"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "1999.09.14"]

1. f3 e5 2. Kf2 d5 3. e3 Nf6 4. d4 Nc6 5. Bb5 Bd6 6. Ne2 O-O 7. Re1 e4 8. Ng3
h5 9. f4 Bg4 10. Be2 g6 11. Kg1 Qe7 12. a3 b5 13. b3 Qe6 14. Bd2 Ne7 15. Bb4 a5
16. Bxd6 Qxd6 17. Bxg4 Nxg4 18. c4 bxc4 19. bxc4 c5 20. Nc3 h4 21. Qxg4 hxg3
22. cxd5 gxh2+ 23. Kxh2 f5 24. dxc5 Qxc5 25. Qg5 Kf7 26. Rac1 Rh8+ 27. Kg1 Rh5
28. Nxe4 Qb6 29. Rc6 Qxc6 30. dxc6 Rxg5 31. Nxg5+ Ke8 32. e4 Rc8 33. exf5 gxf5
34. Re5 Rxc6 35. Rxa5 Rc4 36. g3 Rc3 37. Kg2 Rc2+ 38. Kh3 Rc3 39. a4 Ra3 40.
Ne6 1-0


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[Event "ESP-chTa"]
[Site "Spain"]
[Date "1995.??.??"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Rojas, Jose A"]
[Black "Herraiz Lopez, Herminio"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "A00"]
[WhiteElo "2135"]
[BlackElo "2260"]
[PlyCount "48"]
[EventDate "1995.??.??"]
[EventType "team"]
[EventRounds "9"]
[EventCountry "ESP"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "1999.11.16"]

1. f3 e5 2. Kf2 Nc6 3. d3 f5 4. g3 Nf6 5. a3 Bc5+ 6. Be3 Qe7 7. Qd2 f4 8. Bxc5
Qxc5+ 9. Ke1 Nd4 10. Nc3 Nd5 11. Nh3 Ne3 12. Rc1 d5 13. Nf2 O-O 14. Nfd1 a5 15.
Nxe3 fxe3 16. Qd1 h5 17. Nb1 a4 18. c3 Nb3 19. Rc2 Bf5 20. h4 Qd6 21. Bh3 Qg6
22. g4 hxg4 23. Rg1 gxh3 24. Rxg6 h2 0-1

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[Event "ITA-ch 63rd"]
[Site "Arvier"]
[Date "2003.12.01"]
[Round "7"]
[White "Aldrovandi, Costantino"]
[Black "Cocozza, Mario"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "A00"]
[WhiteElo "2414"]
[BlackElo "2356"]
[PlyCount "74"]
[EventDate "2003.11.25"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[EventRounds "9"]
[EventCountry "ITA"]
[EventCategory "4"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "2004.01.13"]

1. f3 e5 2. Kf2 f5 3. e3 Nc6 4. c3 f4 5. g3 d5 6. exf4 exf4 7. d4 Bd6 8. Kg2
Nge7 9. Bd3 Bf5 10. Ne2 fxg3 11. hxg3 Qd7 12. b3 O-O-O 13. Na3 g5 14. Nb5 Rhg8
15. g4 Bf4 16. gxf5 Nxf5 17. Bxf5 Qxf5 18. Ng3 Bxg3 19. Kxg3 g4 20. f4 h5 21.
Be3 Rde8 22. Qd2 Ne7 23. Rae1 Qe4 24. Qg2 Nf5+ 25. Kh2 g3+ 26. Kg1 Qxg2+ 27.
Kxg2 Rxe3 28. Rxe3 Nxe3+ 29. Kf3 g2 30. Rg1 Nc2 31. Kf2 a6 32. Na7+ Kb8 33. f5
h4 34. f6 h3 35. f7 Rf8 36. Kg3 Rxf7 37. Kxh3 Ne3 0-1

futile 44 ( +1 | -1 )
tparker Re: Tumbleweed Opening I believe this opening comes about from the King's Gambit:

1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Kf2 Qh4+ 4.g3 fxg3 5.Kg2 gxh3 6.Rxh3 Qxe4+ 7.Nf3 d5 8.Nc3 Qg6 9.Kh1 Bg4 10.Rg2 Qh5 11.Kg1 Bxf3 12.Be2 Bxe2 13.Rxe2+ and Black will loose his Queen. (as per the famous poem published in the Ohio Chess Bulletin for December 1960, by an anonymos author.)

-> chess.eusa.ed.ac.uk
tparker 29 ( +1 | -1 )
Futile Re: Tumbleweed Opening Hi futile.

A book i have on the kings gambit (written by Eric Schiller) calls that variation the Drunken King gambit and in a note says it "is known in Nebraska as " the tumbleweed"". So i suppose it just depends on where your from and what you call things.......

tparker
sfinks 45 ( +1 | -1 )
Name In Schiller's long list of openings, I find the following entry:

"Barnes Opening: Hammerschlag.
1.f3 e5 2.Kf2
CaxtonID: 54 ECO: A00".

Source:
Caxton Named Opening List Thursday, June 10, 2004 3:39 PM
compiled by Eric Schiller (www.ericschiller.com)

Most other sources give it the same name, e.g. Bookup calls it the Hammerschlag, with alternative names Fried Fox and Pork Chop Opening.

The Tumbleweed Gambit is King's Gambit Accepted with 3.Kf2.
beathoven 9 ( +1 | -1 )
I made a topic here for the Fried Fox defence a half hour ago, wondering where it is now..
rex_solus 59 ( +1 | -1 )
Weird Opening To answer the question : "What is the actual idea behind whites opening ?"
I think its mainly psychological ! We've all been told the move is bad so, it invites a quick and "justified" refutation right ! There lies the trap. White hopes for Black to overextend and become vulnerable to counterattacks.
What you have to ask yourself when confronted by such moves is ... "Do i see a clear path to a durable advantage or even a win." Well, if the answer is no then, the best policy is to better your position without compromising it.
They expect you to beat yourself, make them work for it instead.
beathoven 49 ( +1 | -1 )
I think black or white should offer a knight or bishop early in the game to break white's pawn structure when the opponent plays a hammerschlag / fried fox. It's all for a better game.. you can win the material back later on in the game. if the pawns are away, the structure is destroyed and things can only get worse.

I haven't tested it yet, because I never played 'against' someone using that openings but this is one of the things I hope my opponent wouldn't do when played it myself. :)